1 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,686 Steve Fulcher was found guilty of two counts of gross misconduct 2 00:00:22,711 --> 00:00:25,919 and received two final written warnings. 3 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:27,653 He chose not to appeal 4 00:00:27,653 --> 00:00:29,919 and made the decision to resign from the force. 5 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:31,919 I think we should all remember that. He was not sacked. 6 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:33,279 He chose to leave. 7 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,759 There has been much speculation by Fulcher 8 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:37,294 and, consequently, the media, 9 00:00:37,295 --> 00:00:40,397 in relation to possible other victims of Christopher Halliwell. 10 00:00:40,398 --> 00:00:41,919 We at Wiltshire Police 11 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,218 made the ethical decision to maintain a position 12 00:00:44,219 --> 00:00:48,261 of not rising to these sensational and unsubstantiated claims 13 00:00:48,262 --> 00:00:51,443 because we believe this would lead to a media frenzy. 14 00:00:51,444 --> 00:00:54,919 The murder of Becky Godden has raised a number of issues, 15 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,288 including the Police And Criminal Evidence Act, 16 00:00:57,289 --> 00:00:59,279 which was introduced in 1984. 17 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,919 I believe that, if PACE is ethically followed 18 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:03,919 and delivered in line with the codes of practice, 19 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,919 the right outcomes can be achieved without evidence being inadmissible. 20 00:01:44,100 --> 00:01:47,312 OK, gentlemen, I am now going to take you through 21 00:01:47,313 --> 00:01:50,529 the basic stages of the intelligence cycle. 22 00:01:50,530 --> 00:01:52,919 Stage one will be planning and direction, 23 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,920 in which we evaluate opportunities and decide on strategy. 24 00:01:57,164 --> 00:01:59,164 Er, do you want to...? 25 00:02:08,684 --> 00:02:11,163 Thank you. So, that's planning and direction. 26 00:02:11,164 --> 00:02:12,296 Next, collection... 27 00:02:17,903 --> 00:02:19,903 Is this the same one? 28 00:02:19,928 --> 00:02:20,928 Yeah. 29 00:02:26,164 --> 00:02:28,164 Christ... Do you ever get used to that? 30 00:02:30,037 --> 00:02:31,902 OK. Er, as I was saying, 31 00:02:31,927 --> 00:02:33,428 stage two is collection. 32 00:02:34,679 --> 00:02:36,357 - When? - Yesterday. 33 00:02:36,358 --> 00:02:38,678 I've told you before, don't believe everything you read. 34 00:02:38,679 --> 00:02:41,952 - It's perfectly safe. Don't worry. - It was on BBC News. 35 00:02:41,977 --> 00:02:43,976 There was a suicide bomb in Benghazi 36 00:02:43,977 --> 00:02:46,188 only about half a mile from your barracks. 37 00:02:47,590 --> 00:02:49,590 It's news to me. 38 00:02:51,584 --> 00:02:53,264 How have you been? 39 00:02:54,475 --> 00:02:56,554 I'm really enjoying it. I'm... 40 00:02:56,555 --> 00:02:57,976 ...feeling pretty chilled, actually. 41 00:02:57,977 --> 00:02:59,976 And at least I'm wanted here. 42 00:02:59,977 --> 00:03:02,487 I know you couldn't care less, but Debs Peach told me 43 00:03:02,488 --> 00:03:04,976 Pat Geenty's retired for personal reasons 44 00:03:04,977 --> 00:03:06,799 and Mike Veale is now Chief Constable. 45 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,977 I just thought you could do with a laugh. 46 00:03:10,497 --> 00:03:11,700 You know what? You're right. 47 00:03:11,701 --> 00:03:14,308 I really... couldn't care less any more. 48 00:03:16,977 --> 00:03:19,068 Well, that's all my news. 49 00:03:19,948 --> 00:03:21,976 We love you very much and can't wait to see you. 50 00:03:21,977 --> 00:03:24,976 I've got to go because I'm meeting the girls at the cinema tonight. 51 00:03:24,977 --> 00:03:26,017 OK. 52 00:03:26,548 --> 00:03:27,977 All right... 53 00:03:28,290 --> 00:03:29,290 Give them my love. 54 00:03:30,508 --> 00:03:31,977 I love you. 55 00:03:32,628 --> 00:03:33,977 Please, be careful. 56 00:03:34,644 --> 00:03:35,644 Mm-hm. 57 00:03:42,977 --> 00:03:44,468 - LINE RINGS 58 00:03:44,469 --> 00:03:45,502 - Hello? - Debs... 59 00:03:45,503 --> 00:03:47,976 - What the fuck is going on? - I wondered when you'd find out. 60 00:03:47,977 --> 00:03:49,976 They've finally given Mike Veale the top job? 61 00:03:49,977 --> 00:03:52,337 And he's already been talking about you. 62 00:03:52,338 --> 00:03:53,976 Blaming you for the fact 63 00:03:53,977 --> 00:03:55,767 they still haven't charged Halliwell over Becky Godden. 64 00:03:55,768 --> 00:03:58,651 They've had years to come up with enough evidence. 65 00:03:58,652 --> 00:04:01,841 It's all wearing a bit thin, this, isn't it, still blaming me? 66 00:04:01,842 --> 00:04:02,976 Yeah. 67 00:04:02,977 --> 00:04:04,976 What happened with that stuff they dug up at the lake... 68 00:04:04,977 --> 00:04:07,317 - ...at Ramsbury? - 60 items of clothing. 69 00:04:07,318 --> 00:04:09,496 You'd think they'd have assigned a big team to it, wouldn't you? 70 00:04:09,497 --> 00:04:10,977 Oh, what...? 71 00:04:11,348 --> 00:04:12,977 They haven't done anything? 72 00:04:13,348 --> 00:04:15,976 Let's just say, apparently, there hasn't been much progress. 73 00:04:15,977 --> 00:04:17,977 They've only just put a small team on it. 74 00:04:18,468 --> 00:04:20,336 And it's being headed up by Sean Memory, 75 00:04:20,337 --> 00:04:22,976 who's now a Detective Superintendent, by the way. 76 00:04:22,977 --> 00:04:24,305 Do you know what, I think I'd rather be here 77 00:04:24,306 --> 00:04:25,745 with mad Libyans throwing bombs at me 78 00:04:25,746 --> 00:04:27,976 than anywhere near Gable fucking Cross. 79 00:04:27,977 --> 00:04:29,976 How long are you out there for? 80 00:04:29,977 --> 00:04:31,817 I've got another six months. 81 00:04:32,977 --> 00:04:37,976 And don't mention anything about bombs to Yvonne. 82 00:04:37,977 --> 00:04:38,977 Please. 83 00:04:45,677 --> 00:04:46,837 Karen? 84 00:04:48,977 --> 00:04:50,977 Come on, love, we'd better get going. 85 00:04:52,977 --> 00:04:54,977 Let's at least hear what he's got to say. 86 00:04:56,337 --> 00:04:58,337 I've written an open letter to Halliwell 87 00:04:58,362 --> 00:05:01,362 asking him to tell the truth about what he did to Becky. 88 00:05:01,750 --> 00:05:04,148 I'm not expecting a response, but I just... 89 00:05:04,977 --> 00:05:07,188 ...have to try to keep her in the public eye. 90 00:05:08,977 --> 00:05:11,569 Cos she doesn't matter as much as Sian, you see? 91 00:05:11,570 --> 00:05:13,976 Because Sian was just a normal girl who worked in an office. 92 00:05:13,977 --> 00:05:15,816 A good girl. 93 00:05:15,817 --> 00:05:17,508 But Becky was a bad girl. 94 00:05:18,817 --> 00:05:20,803 A bad little girl who must have deserved it... 95 00:05:20,844 --> 00:05:23,977 - Karen - Well, I know that's what everyone thinks! 96 00:05:24,670 --> 00:05:25,670 Listen to me. 97 00:05:26,830 --> 00:05:30,635 I am convinced that, because of you, the Police and Crime Commissioner 98 00:05:30,660 --> 00:05:31,976 is pressuring Wiltshire Police 99 00:05:31,977 --> 00:05:34,977 into looking for new evidence to bring Halliwell to trial. 100 00:05:35,468 --> 00:05:37,817 So, whatever it is you're doing, it's working. 101 00:05:38,308 --> 00:05:40,108 - Oh, God... - There, you see? 102 00:05:41,148 --> 00:05:42,976 Oh, thank you very much. Thank you. 103 00:05:42,977 --> 00:05:44,508 I won't give up. 104 00:06:10,977 --> 00:06:12,695 - Hi, Kev. - Hi, Elaine. 105 00:06:12,696 --> 00:06:13,977 How are you? 106 00:06:24,977 --> 00:06:26,348 Are you OK, love? 107 00:06:27,788 --> 00:06:29,668 I'm just feeling it a bit at the moment. 108 00:06:31,977 --> 00:06:33,268 It's been hard. 109 00:06:33,977 --> 00:06:36,055 You get people in the pub 110 00:06:36,056 --> 00:06:37,976 who think they're trying to be nice, rather than spiteful, 111 00:06:37,977 --> 00:06:40,976 but they say, "Don't you wish you'd gone out with her that night?" 112 00:06:40,977 --> 00:06:42,976 I ask myself that all the time. 113 00:06:42,977 --> 00:06:45,148 You mustn't think about it like that, Kev. 114 00:06:45,977 --> 00:06:48,976 She died because of Christopher Halliwell, not anybody else. 115 00:06:48,977 --> 00:06:50,548 Certainly not you. 116 00:06:53,108 --> 00:06:54,678 Is that what you wanted to see me about? 117 00:06:54,679 --> 00:06:56,268 Because that's easy to deal with. 118 00:06:57,977 --> 00:06:59,868 No, it's not that. 119 00:07:00,497 --> 00:07:01,977 Well, what, then, love? 120 00:07:04,917 --> 00:07:06,557 I'm seeing somebody else. 121 00:07:12,977 --> 00:07:14,977 - Oh. - I'm sorry. 122 00:07:17,268 --> 00:07:19,976 Listen to me, you must never apologise 123 00:07:19,977 --> 00:07:21,977 for getting on with your life. 124 00:07:22,628 --> 00:07:23,976 I feel so bloody guilty. 125 00:07:23,977 --> 00:07:24,977 No! 126 00:07:26,308 --> 00:07:27,657 Sian's not here. 127 00:07:28,977 --> 00:07:31,977 What are you supposed to do, pine for her for the rest of your life? 128 00:07:34,977 --> 00:07:36,976 It's a comfort to me that she knew what it was 129 00:07:36,977 --> 00:07:41,548 to share a life with someone, that she was loved and cherished. 130 00:07:43,510 --> 00:07:45,510 But now she's gone and... 131 00:07:47,308 --> 00:07:49,977 ...I'm glad for you that you have someone else. 132 00:07:50,868 --> 00:07:52,336 I had to come here and tell you about Emma 133 00:07:52,337 --> 00:07:54,976 before you found out from anyone else. 134 00:07:54,977 --> 00:07:56,188 Is that her name, Emma? 135 00:08:00,268 --> 00:08:01,977 Why don't you bring her to the wedding? 136 00:08:03,348 --> 00:08:04,977 Are you sure? 137 00:08:06,468 --> 00:08:08,563 Please. It's important to me. 138 00:08:08,564 --> 00:08:09,977 Bring her, Kev. 139 00:08:10,977 --> 00:08:13,337 I can meet her before, if you like. Take the pressure off. 140 00:08:14,977 --> 00:08:15,977 Thank you. 141 00:08:25,740 --> 00:08:27,539 And this is everything you have? 142 00:08:27,540 --> 00:08:29,899 Well, we do have some other leads we're following up, 143 00:08:29,900 --> 00:08:30,920 but basically, yes, it is. 144 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,400 I thought there were some items recovered from a pond 145 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:34,759 with Sian's boots. 146 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,399 Does any of that relate to Becky? 147 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,919 We did find some stuff, yeah. But a lot of it had rotted. 148 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,239 And we've not been able to match any of it yet to Becky's clothing 149 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,980 or descriptions of clothing of any missing persons, so... 150 00:08:45,676 --> 00:08:49,215 I'd say we've got enough here to re-arrest and charge 151 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,399 - and get it to court. - Mm-hm. 152 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,342 But maybe not enough to convince a jury to convict. 153 00:08:54,343 --> 00:08:55,469 Right. 154 00:08:55,470 --> 00:08:58,204 It's all consistent with Halliwell having murdered Rebecca Godden. 155 00:08:58,205 --> 00:09:00,805 And this prostitute who links the two of them is helpful. 156 00:09:00,806 --> 00:09:03,400 But nothing actually says he did it. 157 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,300 The elephant in the room is, of course, the confession. 158 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,175 Well, that was ruled inadmissible, so... 159 00:09:12,176 --> 00:09:13,399 Wrongly. In my opinion. 160 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,399 But with a different judge, a different set of circumstances, 161 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,824 there may be a way we can get it allowed this time round. 162 00:09:18,825 --> 00:09:21,128 - How? - The key, ironically enough, 163 00:09:21,129 --> 00:09:23,759 is for Halliwell to come out and say, "I didn't do it." 164 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,975 Remember, he's never had to actually state a defence for Rebecca Godden 165 00:09:26,976 --> 00:09:28,980 because the case was thrown out. 166 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,811 He'll probably stay silent and just challenge us to make our case, 167 00:09:32,812 --> 00:09:34,079 as is his right. 168 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,399 But if he now tries to claim he's never met her, 169 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,905 or words to that effect, that's the game-changer. 170 00:09:38,906 --> 00:09:41,981 His confession directly contradicts this. So, it's unlikely, of course. 171 00:09:41,982 --> 00:09:44,978 Any lawyer worth his salt would advise him to keep his mouth shut. 172 00:09:44,979 --> 00:09:48,399 But if he did, that gives us the grounds to ask the judge 173 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,400 to revisit the original ruling. 174 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,599 If that happens, Steve Fulcher would have to give evidence. 175 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,399 And his relationship with Wiltshire Police is not great, 176 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,240 to say the least. 177 00:09:59,907 --> 00:10:01,947 It's by far the strongest evidence we have. 178 00:10:13,048 --> 00:10:15,528 Mum, don't embarrass me, OK? 179 00:10:15,529 --> 00:10:16,848 I really like this one. 180 00:10:18,910 --> 00:10:20,848 - Hey! - Hey... 181 00:10:23,208 --> 00:10:24,471 Mum... 182 00:10:24,472 --> 00:10:26,498 - This is Kev. - Hiya. 183 00:10:26,499 --> 00:10:28,047 - Hi, Kev. - Nice to meet you. 184 00:10:28,048 --> 00:10:29,687 And you. 185 00:10:29,688 --> 00:10:30,847 Do you want a cuppa? 186 00:10:30,848 --> 00:10:32,528 Please, yeah. 187 00:10:40,534 --> 00:10:42,739 Elaine... This is Emma. 188 00:10:43,687 --> 00:10:45,299 - Pleased to meet you, love. - Thanks. 189 00:10:45,324 --> 00:10:47,324 Sorry it's in such difficult circumstances. 190 00:10:47,349 --> 00:10:49,389 Well, that's not your fault, is it? Come on, sit down. 191 00:10:49,888 --> 00:10:52,139 - Coffee? - Yeah, please. 192 00:10:52,164 --> 00:10:53,484 Two coffees, please. 193 00:10:58,734 --> 00:10:59,734 So... 194 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,720 How did you meet? Tell me everything. 195 00:11:03,274 --> 00:11:05,659 Erm, just round a friend's house. 196 00:11:06,374 --> 00:11:08,374 We got chatting and it sort of clicked. 197 00:11:08,399 --> 00:11:09,759 We went out a few times. 198 00:11:09,784 --> 00:11:12,424 I done her a chicken pasta and that sealed the deal. 199 00:11:13,019 --> 00:11:14,819 Kev's a really good cook. 200 00:11:16,367 --> 00:11:17,367 You're not so bad. 201 00:11:17,392 --> 00:11:20,699 - She's brilliant, Elaine. - He's just being kind, honestly. 202 00:11:29,767 --> 00:11:31,767 So, how's the wedding stuff going, then, Elaine? 203 00:11:32,561 --> 00:11:35,099 Getting there. Actually, I'm just going to go to the loo. 204 00:12:26,848 --> 00:12:28,847 Christopher John Halliwell, 205 00:12:28,848 --> 00:12:30,847 I'm arresting you for the murder of Rebecca Godden, 206 00:12:30,848 --> 00:12:32,047 contrary to common law. 207 00:12:32,048 --> 00:12:33,638 You do not have to say anything, 208 00:12:33,639 --> 00:12:36,047 but it may harm your defence if you do not mention, 209 00:12:36,048 --> 00:12:38,847 when questioned, something which you later rely on in court. 210 00:12:38,848 --> 00:12:40,847 Anything you do say may be given in evidence. 211 00:12:40,848 --> 00:12:42,687 Do you understand? 212 00:12:42,688 --> 00:12:44,316 Mm. 213 00:12:44,317 --> 00:12:47,847 OK, I'm going to take you now to Worcester Police Station, 214 00:12:47,848 --> 00:12:50,367 where you will be interviewed in the presence of a solicitor. 215 00:12:50,368 --> 00:12:51,848 I don't want a solicitor. 216 00:12:52,339 --> 00:12:53,848 Pardon? 217 00:12:54,474 --> 00:12:55,699 I don't want a solicitor. 218 00:12:56,994 --> 00:12:59,219 I want to see what you have to say first. 219 00:13:02,401 --> 00:13:03,561 Who's in charge of this case? 220 00:13:03,586 --> 00:13:06,586 That would be Detective Superintendent Sean Memory. 221 00:13:06,611 --> 00:13:08,259 If... 222 00:13:08,626 --> 00:13:09,848 ...I wrap this up in... 223 00:13:10,848 --> 00:13:13,099 ...in the next few hours, 224 00:13:13,414 --> 00:13:15,094 any other charges against me... 225 00:13:16,294 --> 00:13:18,134 ...various things in the past... 226 00:13:18,159 --> 00:13:21,619 You're talking about car thefts, break-ins, bits and pieces? 227 00:13:25,134 --> 00:13:27,459 Some more... serious. 228 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:33,200 Will clearing this up be enough to stop everything else? 229 00:13:33,225 --> 00:13:36,225 If Mr Memory is listening, the ball is in his court. 230 00:13:38,808 --> 00:13:41,968 Get a print set up. If we can get a confession now, that's it... 231 00:13:41,993 --> 00:13:43,353 ...no need for Fulcher. 232 00:13:44,154 --> 00:13:47,794 Now, what I'm saying there, Chris, and I've signed it at the bottom... 233 00:13:49,108 --> 00:13:51,739 ...is that I lead the investigation into Becky Godden. 234 00:13:52,419 --> 00:13:55,199 I'm not aware of any other allegations against you. 235 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:59,528 And I'm not investigating you for any other offence, apart from Becky. 236 00:14:00,107 --> 00:14:03,791 If I clear this up, I don't want you coming back every two years saying, 237 00:14:03,816 --> 00:14:06,816 "What about this? What about that?" 238 00:14:08,048 --> 00:14:11,848 This interview is about one matter and one matter only. 239 00:14:12,534 --> 00:14:14,534 But at this point in time... 240 00:14:14,848 --> 00:14:17,848 ...I'm not aware of any other allegations against you. 241 00:14:26,434 --> 00:14:27,434 OK. 242 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:32,720 Erm... 243 00:14:33,454 --> 00:14:36,059 Actually, before I do anything else... 244 00:14:36,974 --> 00:14:39,614 ...I think I'd better get my solicitor to check it first. 245 00:14:41,267 --> 00:14:42,747 Is that OK? 246 00:14:45,848 --> 00:14:46,888 No, that's fine. 247 00:14:53,274 --> 00:14:55,274 He's got no intention of clearing anything up. 248 00:14:55,299 --> 00:14:56,659 He's playing with us. 249 00:14:57,648 --> 00:14:59,979 He just wanted to know what we've got. 250 00:15:08,334 --> 00:15:09,939 Ladies and gentlemen... 251 00:15:10,981 --> 00:15:12,461 ...my wife and I... 252 00:15:12,486 --> 00:15:14,486 Whoooo! 253 00:15:16,888 --> 00:15:19,568 ...would like to thank you all sincerely for coming. 254 00:15:19,568 --> 00:15:21,247 It really is... 255 00:15:21,248 --> 00:15:24,567 It's wonderful to have you all with us on this special day. 256 00:15:24,568 --> 00:15:26,993 And I'd like to thank the children, 257 00:15:26,994 --> 00:15:29,087 my three and Elaine's, 258 00:15:29,088 --> 00:15:31,087 for being there for us... 259 00:15:31,088 --> 00:15:32,568 ...through everything. 260 00:15:33,179 --> 00:15:34,699 And of course... 261 00:15:35,568 --> 00:15:36,979 ...I must mention Sian. 262 00:15:38,219 --> 00:15:42,567 Now, we all remember those dark days when she went missing. 263 00:15:42,568 --> 00:15:44,819 When there was nothing we could do but sit and hope. 264 00:15:48,019 --> 00:15:51,291 Yeah, we'd get little bits and pieces of information, 265 00:15:51,316 --> 00:15:54,316 but not the message that we really wanted to hear. 266 00:15:54,341 --> 00:15:56,699 That she was safe and well... 267 00:15:57,488 --> 00:15:58,488 ...and coming home. 268 00:16:14,568 --> 00:16:17,568 - What was all that about? - I asked him, Jackie. 269 00:16:18,394 --> 00:16:20,543 I said, "Please, don't talk about Sian too much." 270 00:16:20,568 --> 00:16:23,567 But he had it all planned out in his head what he wanted to do. 271 00:16:23,568 --> 00:16:25,568 He's planned everything today. He likes to be... 272 00:16:26,568 --> 00:16:28,899 ...in control. He likes to organise everything. 273 00:16:29,761 --> 00:16:33,479 - He likes to take over, more like. - I care about him a lot. I do. 274 00:16:33,504 --> 00:16:35,504 He is a good person. 275 00:16:38,568 --> 00:16:41,408 I don't want to be on my own, Jackie. I want to be married. 276 00:16:44,035 --> 00:16:45,235 I know. 277 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,299 Halliwell has parted company with the lawyers 278 00:16:52,300 --> 00:16:54,567 who represented him at the first trial. 279 00:16:54,568 --> 00:16:56,567 Really? Why would he do that? 280 00:16:56,568 --> 00:16:58,567 Well, it would seem he has decided 281 00:16:58,568 --> 00:17:00,568 he wants to represent himself in court. 282 00:17:01,859 --> 00:17:03,568 Bloody hell. 283 00:17:03,821 --> 00:17:04,981 Precisely. 284 00:17:05,568 --> 00:17:08,767 So, this morning, Halliwell finally issued an outline of his defence, 285 00:17:08,768 --> 00:17:10,567 which he's composed himself. 286 00:17:10,568 --> 00:17:12,102 We've been asking for it for weeks. 287 00:17:12,103 --> 00:17:16,168 It says simply he has no knowledge of the death of Rebecca Godden, 288 00:17:16,169 --> 00:17:20,088 nor any information regarding details of how she died. 289 00:17:23,568 --> 00:17:25,568 I think we have our game-changer. 290 00:17:25,819 --> 00:17:27,897 The confession now comes into play. 291 00:17:27,898 --> 00:17:30,659 We can ask the new judge to reconsider admitting it. 292 00:17:39,568 --> 00:17:42,567 An email came through this morning from the CPS 293 00:17:42,568 --> 00:17:45,567 saying that Wiltshire Police have discovered new evidence 294 00:17:45,568 --> 00:17:47,567 against Halliwell for Becky Godden's murder 295 00:17:47,568 --> 00:17:49,432 and that he's been charged as a result. 296 00:17:49,433 --> 00:17:51,567 But in the next breath they say 297 00:17:51,568 --> 00:17:54,082 they want to try and reintroduce the confession evidence. 298 00:17:54,083 --> 00:17:55,196 You're joking? 299 00:17:55,221 --> 00:17:56,567 Well, do you want an even bigger laugh? 300 00:17:56,568 --> 00:17:58,567 If they do manage to get it ruled admissible, 301 00:17:58,568 --> 00:18:01,568 they want me to come back and give evidence at the trial. 302 00:18:01,828 --> 00:18:04,828 After all they've done to you, now they want you to help them out? 303 00:18:05,388 --> 00:18:08,388 The new evidence obviously can't be that strong, can it? 304 00:18:09,074 --> 00:18:11,074 It's not ever going to end, is it? 305 00:18:11,099 --> 00:18:12,099 For fuck's sake... 306 00:18:13,568 --> 00:18:15,607 Oh, hello. Come in. 307 00:18:18,061 --> 00:18:19,183 - Hi, Karen. - Hello. 308 00:18:19,208 --> 00:18:21,695 - Come in, sit down. - No, no, I can't stay for long. 309 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,233 I, erm... 310 00:18:23,568 --> 00:18:25,567 I just came to tell you that we are hopeful 311 00:18:25,568 --> 00:18:27,567 of finally bringing charges against Halliwell over Becky. 312 00:18:27,568 --> 00:18:30,195 He's been arrested. 313 00:18:30,196 --> 00:18:32,567 We're still working to strengthen the case against him. 314 00:18:32,568 --> 00:18:34,906 But we think we can go to trial. 315 00:18:34,907 --> 00:18:38,308 - But how? - We've been working hard on the case 316 00:18:38,333 --> 00:18:41,507 and we've dug up plenty of new evidence. 317 00:18:41,568 --> 00:18:44,567 - Can we know what it is? - I can't say too much now, 318 00:18:44,568 --> 00:18:46,568 but the evidence is compelling. 319 00:18:46,899 --> 00:18:49,568 There's a little way to go yet, but we're optimistic. 320 00:18:49,819 --> 00:18:52,379 Oh, that is so fantastic! 321 00:18:52,849 --> 00:18:54,767 We'd almost given up hope, hadn't we? 322 00:18:54,768 --> 00:18:58,567 I will, of course, be in touch if there's any more news, OK? 323 00:18:58,568 --> 00:19:00,567 Thanks for coming to tell us, Sean. 324 00:19:00,568 --> 00:19:02,767 Well, it's important we're all on the same page, right? 325 00:19:02,768 --> 00:19:05,179 - Well, thanks a million, Sean. - Yeah, thanks. 326 00:19:11,407 --> 00:19:13,407 Oh, Charlie, I've... 327 00:19:13,568 --> 00:19:15,567 I've got a knot in my tummy. 328 00:19:15,568 --> 00:19:19,179 But why? We've just had the best bloody news you could hope for. 329 00:19:19,180 --> 00:19:21,006 But what if it doesn't work again? 330 00:19:21,007 --> 00:19:23,407 What if another ruling goes against us or something? 331 00:19:23,408 --> 00:19:25,567 Because, if we don't get him this time, we never will. 332 00:19:25,568 --> 00:19:29,408 Always the gloomiest way of looking at it, that's you! 333 00:19:30,568 --> 00:19:33,568 Yeah, well, I've had that smashed into me, haven't I, over the years? 334 00:19:33,928 --> 00:19:36,928 There hasn't been much to be optimistic about, has there? 335 00:19:37,928 --> 00:19:40,607 Elaine, look at where you are right now. 336 00:19:40,608 --> 00:19:42,608 What are you doing? 337 00:19:42,899 --> 00:19:45,568 I mean, you've given up your job, you've even sold your car. 338 00:19:46,268 --> 00:19:47,628 Pete prefers to drive. 339 00:19:51,568 --> 00:19:53,899 It's not right, Elaine. It's got to stop. 340 00:19:54,734 --> 00:19:56,260 It's just you're not you any more. 341 00:19:56,261 --> 00:19:58,568 You don't even behave like you any more. 342 00:19:59,568 --> 00:20:02,568 To be honest, I feel like I've had the stuffing knocked out of me. 343 00:20:02,899 --> 00:20:05,567 I can't stand any sort of confrontation. 344 00:20:05,568 --> 00:20:08,567 There's just so much tension in the house. 345 00:20:08,568 --> 00:20:10,568 I feel like I've lost all my confidence. 346 00:20:21,904 --> 00:20:22,944 Thanks. 347 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:38,880 Hi. 348 00:20:38,881 --> 00:20:40,080 Do you mind? 349 00:20:45,636 --> 00:20:49,079 I just think I'm being an idiot for coming out and helping them. 350 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:50,879 You're not helping them out, though, are you? 351 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,112 This isn't about them, is it? 352 00:20:52,112 --> 00:20:54,591 Well, they deserve to be left on the beach, with the tide out, 353 00:20:54,592 --> 00:20:56,723 looking like the fucking idiots they are. 354 00:20:57,643 --> 00:20:59,203 But Karen doesn't. 355 00:21:00,205 --> 00:21:01,205 But Karen doesn't. 356 00:21:09,491 --> 00:21:10,811 You're doing the right thing. 357 00:21:15,259 --> 00:21:17,059 Thank you. 358 00:21:43,592 --> 00:21:45,279 Here. Cheers, Aiden. 359 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:46,592 Here. 360 00:21:48,013 --> 00:21:49,591 Thanks, love. 361 00:21:49,592 --> 00:21:50,952 We're going to go. 362 00:21:51,928 --> 00:21:53,299 Don't you think it's better to wait and face him, 363 00:21:53,300 --> 00:21:55,111 rather than doing it like this? 364 00:21:55,112 --> 00:21:56,591 I told him I was moving out today. 365 00:21:56,592 --> 00:21:58,631 Yeah, but he didn't believe you, did he? 366 00:21:58,632 --> 00:22:01,592 Look, I couldn't honestly handle him trying to talk me out of it. 367 00:22:02,592 --> 00:22:05,313 - This way, it's much better. - It's not Pete's fault. 368 00:22:05,314 --> 00:22:08,592 - I should never have married him. - So, why did you? 369 00:22:09,592 --> 00:22:11,160 I just thought, after what's happened, 370 00:22:11,161 --> 00:22:13,592 I needed someone to take control of my life for me. 371 00:22:14,083 --> 00:22:16,043 It's the worst thing I could have done, all right? 372 00:22:18,592 --> 00:22:20,592 Oh, nice one. 373 00:22:29,112 --> 00:22:31,431 Mr Fulcher to see you. 374 00:22:31,432 --> 00:22:32,591 Thank you. 375 00:22:32,592 --> 00:22:34,591 - Sean. - Good to see you, Steve. 376 00:22:34,592 --> 00:22:35,592 And you. 377 00:22:36,632 --> 00:22:37,973 - Mr Fulcher. - Hi. 378 00:22:37,974 --> 00:22:39,592 Take a seat, please. 379 00:22:40,592 --> 00:22:42,592 I see you've got a suntan. 380 00:22:42,845 --> 00:22:45,483 I see you've got Detective Superintendent. 381 00:22:46,592 --> 00:22:48,361 Thanks for coming in today. We just wanted to give you 382 00:22:48,362 --> 00:22:49,791 some background on the trial. 383 00:22:49,792 --> 00:22:52,111 Right, so, there's definitely going to be one? 384 00:22:52,112 --> 00:22:55,592 Yes. And we are definitely going to need you to give evidence. 385 00:22:56,003 --> 00:22:57,592 Well, I'm all ears. 386 00:22:58,145 --> 00:23:00,591 Well, the pre-trial concluded this afternoon 387 00:23:00,592 --> 00:23:03,229 and the new judge, Mr Justice Griffith Williams, 388 00:23:03,230 --> 00:23:06,093 has ruled that the confession made to you by Halliwell 389 00:23:06,094 --> 00:23:08,591 will be admissible as evidence. 390 00:23:08,592 --> 00:23:11,591 He was quite scathing of Mrs Justice Cox, 391 00:23:11,592 --> 00:23:13,631 - who ruled against you last time. - Mm-hm. 392 00:23:13,632 --> 00:23:17,159 Halliwell tried to have it excluded again, based on her original ruling, 393 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,434 but the new judge said that the confession was made voluntarily. 394 00:23:20,435 --> 00:23:22,591 In his view, there was no oppression. 395 00:23:22,592 --> 00:23:25,592 And to not allow it would offend good sense. 396 00:23:27,592 --> 00:23:30,126 You see, I thought I'd lost my career because other people, 397 00:23:30,127 --> 00:23:33,463 who should have known better, decided I'd done something terrible. 398 00:23:33,464 --> 00:23:35,591 But now it seems, apparently, I haven't. 399 00:23:35,592 --> 00:23:38,591 Look, I'd have understood if you'd told us to fuck off. 400 00:23:38,592 --> 00:23:40,592 Yeah, that was never going to happen. 401 00:23:44,332 --> 00:23:45,492 Hm... 402 00:23:46,592 --> 00:23:48,161 So, how does your new Chief Constable 403 00:23:48,162 --> 00:23:50,592 feel about me being his star witness, then? 404 00:23:58,120 --> 00:23:59,760 It's Elaine. 405 00:24:01,388 --> 00:24:03,060 Mrs Edwards, you've been waiting for four years. 406 00:24:03,061 --> 00:24:05,873 - How are you feeling about the trial? - Well, it's difficult. 407 00:24:05,874 --> 00:24:07,432 But we hope it's going to go our way. 408 00:24:07,433 --> 00:24:11,547 How do you feel about Halliwell representing himself, Mrs Edwards? 409 00:25:32,893 --> 00:25:36,573 When was the last time you saw your daughter, Mrs Edwards? 410 00:25:36,607 --> 00:25:38,533 December 2002. 411 00:25:40,267 --> 00:25:42,493 She would have been 21 the following April. 412 00:25:42,553 --> 00:25:44,694 And I always thought she'd turn up for her 21st birthday, 413 00:25:44,719 --> 00:25:45,719 but she never did. 414 00:25:47,587 --> 00:25:51,333 I got a card from her every Mother's Day, without fail. 415 00:25:52,740 --> 00:25:55,740 But from 2003 onwards, I never got one. 416 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,160 Becky was very petite. 417 00:26:00,500 --> 00:26:04,028 She was only 4'11" tall and she could wear children's clothing. 418 00:26:04,053 --> 00:26:08,298 You know, like, for 12 to 14-year-olds. 419 00:26:08,860 --> 00:26:10,700 She was just a child, really. 420 00:26:13,354 --> 00:26:17,314 Miss X, you have been granted anonymity today. 421 00:26:17,806 --> 00:26:20,806 I understand you have a history of drug abuse and prostitution, 422 00:26:20,831 --> 00:26:23,831 which is how you met Rebecca Godden. 423 00:26:23,856 --> 00:26:25,536 That's correct, yes. 424 00:26:25,561 --> 00:26:27,336 She was a friend of mine. 425 00:26:27,361 --> 00:26:29,681 But you have turned your life around since then 426 00:26:29,706 --> 00:26:33,013 and are now married with two children. 427 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:34,960 Yes. 428 00:26:35,007 --> 00:26:37,373 And my husband knows nothing about my past life. 429 00:26:37,398 --> 00:26:39,238 And yet you still came along today, 430 00:26:39,263 --> 00:26:42,733 even though your past could have been revealed to all and sundry. 431 00:26:43,547 --> 00:26:45,413 I thought it was important. 432 00:26:46,846 --> 00:26:47,846 I'm very grateful to you. 433 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:50,640 Please, stay where you are. 434 00:26:54,393 --> 00:26:55,873 Mr Halliwell... 435 00:26:56,834 --> 00:26:58,674 According to you... 436 00:27:01,434 --> 00:27:04,074 ...I was besotted with Rebecca Godden. 437 00:27:04,099 --> 00:27:05,099 Correct. 438 00:27:05,420 --> 00:27:07,333 Even though I've never met her before. 439 00:27:10,313 --> 00:27:13,953 Sometimes you even give her money to stop her going with other men. 440 00:27:14,547 --> 00:27:16,813 I remember, one night, you picked me up for sex, 441 00:27:16,838 --> 00:27:18,838 you knew she was my mate and you said, 442 00:27:18,863 --> 00:27:20,973 "Don't tell Becks about this." 443 00:27:22,260 --> 00:27:24,973 Right, so I'm supposed to have had sex with you, too, yeah? 444 00:27:25,613 --> 00:27:26,813 Yes. 445 00:27:27,447 --> 00:27:28,447 Twice. 446 00:27:31,791 --> 00:27:33,791 You see, I think there's a chance... 447 00:27:33,816 --> 00:27:35,816 ...that you could be mistaken. 448 00:27:35,841 --> 00:27:37,841 So, take a long, hard look at me 449 00:27:37,866 --> 00:27:39,866 and confirm that the person you're talking about is me. 450 00:27:39,891 --> 00:27:41,891 Because this is serious. 451 00:27:41,916 --> 00:27:43,596 Is this a joke? 452 00:27:43,621 --> 00:27:46,941 I am one hundred million percent sure it's you. 453 00:27:49,187 --> 00:27:51,613 If we've had sex together twice... 454 00:27:54,053 --> 00:27:56,053 ...what colour are my eyes? 455 00:27:57,380 --> 00:27:58,613 I don't know. 456 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,880 What colour were Becky's? 457 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,765 We compared soil found on the spade 458 00:28:11,790 --> 00:28:14,673 in the garage at Christopher Halliwell's home address 459 00:28:14,698 --> 00:28:16,698 with a sample of soil from the field 460 00:28:16,723 --> 00:28:18,998 where Rebecca Godden's body was found. 461 00:28:19,023 --> 00:28:21,268 Becky was outside the club 462 00:28:21,293 --> 00:28:23,773 having some sort of argument with this taxi driver. 463 00:28:23,798 --> 00:28:27,158 He was shouting at her. It went on for quite a while. 464 00:28:27,183 --> 00:28:29,823 I'm pretty sure I heard him call her "a fucking slag", 465 00:28:29,848 --> 00:28:31,848 or words like that. 466 00:28:31,873 --> 00:28:35,873 This row with the taxi driver, when was that? 467 00:28:35,898 --> 00:28:38,898 Er, just after New Year 2003. 468 00:28:38,923 --> 00:28:41,123 I'm pretty sure it was the 3rd, early in the morning. 469 00:28:41,148 --> 00:28:44,646 In the end, the driver somehow persuaded her to get in the back 470 00:28:44,671 --> 00:28:46,053 and they drove off. 471 00:28:47,014 --> 00:28:49,014 Did you get a look at the driver? 472 00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:51,039 Not clearly, no. 473 00:28:51,064 --> 00:28:54,064 And you never saw Rebecca again after that? 474 00:28:54,547 --> 00:28:56,463 No. Never. 475 00:28:56,488 --> 00:28:58,648 Nor indeed have we been able to find anybody else who has, 476 00:28:58,673 --> 00:29:00,053 after that night. 477 00:29:02,813 --> 00:29:03,813 Mr Halliwell... 478 00:29:04,547 --> 00:29:05,933 Do you have any questions? 479 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,253 Yeah, erm... 480 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,120 The taxi she drove off in, 481 00:29:12,145 --> 00:29:17,145 did it have a white illuminated sign on it saying, well, "Taxi"? 482 00:29:17,170 --> 00:29:18,170 Yeah, it did. 483 00:29:20,427 --> 00:29:21,413 Thank you. 484 00:29:21,706 --> 00:29:24,706 Because, at that time, my car did not have a light on the roof. 485 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:26,893 So, thank you. 486 00:29:34,893 --> 00:29:36,053 Thank you. 487 00:29:36,373 --> 00:29:38,533 The court has now broken until tomorrow. 488 00:29:38,558 --> 00:29:41,053 - If you could be back here for 9:00am? - Fine. 489 00:29:44,147 --> 00:29:46,881 I'd heard most of that evidence before. Hadn't you? 490 00:29:46,906 --> 00:29:48,073 Mm. 491 00:29:48,098 --> 00:29:51,578 We had all that back when Steve was around, as far as I can remember. 492 00:29:51,603 --> 00:29:53,603 So, what have they been doing for the last five years? 493 00:29:53,628 --> 00:29:56,628 All this new evidence! All they've got is Steve. 494 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,193 And he must be so nervous, after all this time, 495 00:29:59,218 --> 00:30:01,218 wondering what Halliwell is going to say. 496 00:30:15,567 --> 00:30:16,567 Tell us again, Mr Fulcher, 497 00:30:16,592 --> 00:30:19,592 what Christopher Halliwell told you that day about the second victim. 498 00:30:19,672 --> 00:30:21,672 He said he had taken a prostitute 499 00:30:21,697 --> 00:30:24,537 from the Manchester Road area of Swindon, 500 00:30:24,562 --> 00:30:26,722 had sex with her in the back of his taxi... 501 00:30:26,747 --> 00:30:28,747 ...and then strangled her. 502 00:30:28,772 --> 00:30:31,813 I said, "Was it similar to Sian?" He said, "Pretty much." 503 00:30:31,838 --> 00:30:33,838 I asked if there were any other victims, 504 00:30:33,863 --> 00:30:35,703 I said, "Is it just these two?" 505 00:30:35,728 --> 00:30:37,888 And he replied, "Isn't that enough?" 506 00:30:37,913 --> 00:30:40,273 OK, let's pause there. 507 00:30:40,298 --> 00:30:42,978 I'm sure Mr Halliwell has some questions for you. 508 00:30:54,387 --> 00:30:56,653 I couldn't care less... 509 00:30:56,793 --> 00:31:00,213 ...about not being cautioned by you. 510 00:31:00,542 --> 00:31:01,589 Sorry? 511 00:31:01,614 --> 00:31:05,024 It didn't bother me in the slightest that... 512 00:31:05,049 --> 00:31:07,049 ...my rights were breached. 513 00:31:07,074 --> 00:31:09,074 When I was arrested on 24th March, 514 00:31:09,099 --> 00:31:12,099 that was the first day of a life sentence. 515 00:31:12,124 --> 00:31:14,124 - HE CLEARS HIS THROAT - I knew that. 516 00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:17,149 So, after I took you to Sian's body, everything after that... 517 00:31:17,174 --> 00:31:19,174 ...well, that was about pure revenge. 518 00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:22,700 I don't quite follow you. 519 00:31:22,827 --> 00:31:25,987 Well, I didn't know about PACE and codes and all that, 520 00:31:26,012 --> 00:31:28,652 but I knew enough to know that, if I asked to speak to a solicitor, 521 00:31:28,677 --> 00:31:32,677 then everything else should stop until that's been given to me. 522 00:31:32,702 --> 00:31:33,702 I knew that much. 523 00:31:33,727 --> 00:31:36,727 I asked you six or seven times, 524 00:31:36,752 --> 00:31:39,752 it's all been recorded, and you kept refusing me. 525 00:31:40,547 --> 00:31:41,853 I knew that was wrong. 526 00:31:41,878 --> 00:31:44,878 I didn't care because I knew I could turn it to my advantage. 527 00:31:44,903 --> 00:31:47,293 So, all that whole story... 528 00:31:47,820 --> 00:31:49,820 ...about burying a girl in a field... 529 00:31:51,547 --> 00:31:52,547 ...it was just a pack of lies. 530 00:31:53,447 --> 00:31:55,327 Mr Halliwell, if you are alleging 531 00:31:55,352 --> 00:31:59,472 that revenge played a part in what happened that day, 532 00:31:59,497 --> 00:32:00,753 you must explain yourself. 533 00:32:00,778 --> 00:32:02,433 Yeah, in a minute, Your Honour. 534 00:32:02,458 --> 00:32:06,458 I had no idea if there was a body buried in that field in Eastleach. 535 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:11,040 How could I if I'd never met Rebecca Godden in my life? 536 00:32:11,065 --> 00:32:13,065 What happened was, at the end of 2001, 537 00:32:13,090 --> 00:32:15,090 I started driving these fellas around. 538 00:32:15,115 --> 00:32:16,115 Well... 539 00:32:17,547 --> 00:32:19,045 ...drug dealers, they were. 540 00:32:19,070 --> 00:32:22,070 But I never asked them any questions and they seemed to trust me. 541 00:32:22,095 --> 00:32:26,095 Now, one night, at the end of March time 2003, 542 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,120 they directed me out to this field in Eastleach. 543 00:32:29,145 --> 00:32:31,145 And they carried this big holdall 544 00:32:31,170 --> 00:32:33,033 out of the boot of my taxi into the field. 545 00:32:33,058 --> 00:32:35,058 Now, I drove off. I came back for them later. 546 00:32:35,083 --> 00:32:37,053 I never asked them what they were doing. 547 00:32:37,906 --> 00:32:39,946 A few months later, I was driving one of them around 548 00:32:39,971 --> 00:32:41,713 and he was drunk, right? 549 00:32:41,738 --> 00:32:44,253 And he tells me that they had buried... 550 00:32:44,278 --> 00:32:48,693 ...a prostitute in that field that night. 551 00:32:48,718 --> 00:32:50,718 Now, I thought he was messing 552 00:32:50,743 --> 00:32:52,743 because he said it like it was nothing. 553 00:32:52,768 --> 00:32:56,288 So, when I took you to that field in Eastleach, 554 00:32:56,313 --> 00:32:59,013 I had no idea if there was a body buried there. 555 00:33:00,006 --> 00:33:01,573 And I can prove it. 556 00:33:02,307 --> 00:33:05,787 How deep down did I say the body was buried? 557 00:33:05,812 --> 00:33:08,073 - You said five feet. - That's right. 558 00:33:08,098 --> 00:33:11,058 And how deep was it actually buried? 559 00:33:11,083 --> 00:33:13,083 Er, about eight inches, 560 00:33:13,108 --> 00:33:14,385 cos the bedrock was so close to the surface. 561 00:33:14,410 --> 00:33:15,433 Yeah. 562 00:33:15,458 --> 00:33:19,693 So, why would I say five feet if it was only eight inches? 563 00:33:19,718 --> 00:33:22,718 Well, you also couldn't be sure when you had murdered Becky. 564 00:33:22,743 --> 00:33:24,743 Cos I never did, cos I'd never met her. 565 00:33:24,768 --> 00:33:27,427 You said it was in 2003, 2004 or 2005. 566 00:33:27,452 --> 00:33:29,793 So what I surmised... 567 00:33:30,347 --> 00:33:33,347 ...and from you getting wrong the depth that she was buried, 568 00:33:33,372 --> 00:33:35,572 was that you had other victims that you had buried, 569 00:33:35,597 --> 00:33:38,713 victims that we don't yet know about, 570 00:33:38,738 --> 00:33:41,738 and that you became confused about which was which. 571 00:33:41,763 --> 00:33:43,835 That's an absolute pack of lies. And you know that. 572 00:33:43,860 --> 00:33:47,973 No, I know that you told me you had murdered a prostitute 573 00:33:47,998 --> 00:33:49,998 and buried her in that field. 574 00:33:50,023 --> 00:33:52,023 I believed... 575 00:33:52,048 --> 00:33:54,728 ...in that moment, that you were contrite 576 00:33:54,753 --> 00:33:56,588 and that you wanted to unburden yourself. 577 00:33:56,613 --> 00:33:58,901 - That's ridiculous. - You said you could take me 578 00:33:58,926 --> 00:34:00,843 to the exact spot in that field 579 00:34:00,844 --> 00:34:02,031 where she was buried. 580 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,858 In fact, you were a few feet out, 581 00:34:03,859 --> 00:34:06,292 but we later discovered the remains of Rebecca Godden 582 00:34:06,293 --> 00:34:09,586 in that field that you had directed us to. 583 00:34:09,587 --> 00:34:13,319 Well, I only said that because I wanted to get you in the shit. 584 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,799 We need to know why, Mr Halliwell. 585 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,104 Because he threatened my daughters. 586 00:34:18,105 --> 00:34:19,829 - I did what? - You threatened my daughters. 587 00:34:19,830 --> 00:34:21,888 And nobody threatens my kids! 588 00:34:21,889 --> 00:34:24,534 - Absolute rubbish. - That's why I took you to that field. 589 00:34:24,535 --> 00:34:26,855 Cos I knew for certain, if anything was found there, 590 00:34:26,856 --> 00:34:28,497 then any third-rate solicitor 591 00:34:28,498 --> 00:34:30,913 would make mincemeat of the fact I hadn't been cautioned 592 00:34:30,938 --> 00:34:32,938 and you'd be dropped right in it. 593 00:34:33,687 --> 00:34:36,687 But you haven't told us what this threat was. 594 00:34:38,993 --> 00:34:40,313 I'm not going to say. 595 00:34:40,338 --> 00:34:41,693 You're not going to say? 596 00:34:41,740 --> 00:34:42,973 No. 597 00:34:44,267 --> 00:34:48,773 Don't you think it's rather important to tell us what it was? 598 00:34:49,207 --> 00:34:50,703 Well, there's no point. 599 00:34:50,728 --> 00:34:53,453 I can't prove it. It's my word against his. 600 00:34:54,173 --> 00:34:55,333 I see. 601 00:34:55,358 --> 00:34:58,358 So, do you have any more questions for Mr Fulcher? 602 00:35:01,860 --> 00:35:02,860 Er... 603 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:05,800 No. 604 00:35:06,826 --> 00:35:08,346 Very well. 605 00:35:08,371 --> 00:35:09,851 This might be a good time to take a break. 606 00:35:09,876 --> 00:35:12,076 Er, just one more thing. Erm... 607 00:35:12,101 --> 00:35:15,901 It was a pleasure ruining your career, you corrupt bastard. 608 00:35:35,925 --> 00:35:39,924 "I do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm 609 00:35:39,925 --> 00:35:41,924 "that the evidence I give shall be the truth, 610 00:35:41,925 --> 00:35:45,445 "the whole truth and nothing but the truth." 611 00:35:59,925 --> 00:36:01,925 You really loathe Mr Fulcher, don't you? 612 00:36:04,765 --> 00:36:05,925 Absolutely. 613 00:36:06,925 --> 00:36:09,605 You blame him for your confessions, don't you? 614 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,924 I'm responsible for my own actions. I've faced up to what I did to Sian. 615 00:36:13,925 --> 00:36:14,925 No, but you see, you haven't. 616 00:36:14,926 --> 00:36:18,553 You've never given a proper account of what happened when Sian died, 617 00:36:18,554 --> 00:36:20,663 other than some nonsensical claim 618 00:36:20,664 --> 00:36:22,924 that she tried to grab your steering wheel 619 00:36:22,925 --> 00:36:23,925 and then you went to punch her 620 00:36:23,926 --> 00:36:25,925 without realising you had a knife in your hand. 621 00:36:27,925 --> 00:36:31,924 You abducted her for sexual purposes, just as you did Rebecca. 622 00:36:31,925 --> 00:36:33,924 Er, that's ludicrous. 623 00:36:33,925 --> 00:36:35,925 - It was an accident. - Was it? 624 00:36:36,450 --> 00:36:39,284 Is that why her leggings and knickers were pulled down 625 00:36:39,285 --> 00:36:41,010 and her bra was missing? 626 00:36:41,378 --> 00:36:44,370 Listen, I came here to tell the truth. 627 00:36:45,125 --> 00:36:47,964 It doesn't matter to me if the jury believes me or not. 628 00:36:47,965 --> 00:36:50,924 Yes, you keep saying that. But that's not true, either. 629 00:36:50,925 --> 00:36:53,924 You received 25 years for the murder of Sian O'Callaghan. 630 00:36:53,925 --> 00:36:56,924 But there is at least a chance you could be released, 631 00:36:56,925 --> 00:36:58,924 albeit you'd be in your 70s. 632 00:36:58,925 --> 00:37:00,924 If you're found guilty of Rebecca's murder, 633 00:37:00,925 --> 00:37:01,925 then you will never be released. 634 00:37:01,926 --> 00:37:04,924 So, actually, there's rather a lot riding on this. 635 00:37:04,925 --> 00:37:06,924 Which is why you've constructed this fantasy account 636 00:37:06,925 --> 00:37:08,925 of how you led the police to her body. 637 00:37:10,445 --> 00:37:11,890 It's what happened. 638 00:37:12,644 --> 00:37:16,327 Yes. Except, for it to be true, you have to try and convince the jury 639 00:37:16,352 --> 00:37:18,669 you have never met Rebecca Godden. 640 00:37:19,925 --> 00:37:22,503 - I... I haven't. - Which is why you're so desperate 641 00:37:22,504 --> 00:37:24,924 to try and rebut the evidence of Miss X, 642 00:37:24,925 --> 00:37:27,964 whom you inconveniently had sex with on two occasions. 643 00:37:27,965 --> 00:37:30,925 I've never set eyes on her before and, to be honest... 644 00:37:32,090 --> 00:37:34,764 - ...she's not my type. - Not your type? 645 00:37:34,765 --> 00:37:35,924 What is your type, then? 646 00:37:35,925 --> 00:37:38,925 Well, certainly not that thin. 647 00:37:40,605 --> 00:37:42,570 Is your type size eight? 648 00:37:43,925 --> 00:37:44,925 Size ten? 649 00:37:46,925 --> 00:37:49,924 Pretty, young women who are out and about on the streets of Swindon 650 00:37:49,925 --> 00:37:52,924 in the early hours of the morning, is that your type? 651 00:37:52,925 --> 00:37:56,605 About five feet, five feet two inches tall, 652 00:37:56,937 --> 00:37:58,257 on their own... 653 00:37:58,925 --> 00:38:00,285 ...vulnerable. 654 00:38:02,224 --> 00:38:04,224 Is that your type? 655 00:38:42,262 --> 00:38:44,262 _ 656 00:39:02,551 --> 00:39:04,551 Foreman of the jury, 657 00:39:04,576 --> 00:39:07,576 have you reached a verdict upon which you are all agreed? 658 00:39:08,594 --> 00:39:09,594 We have. 659 00:39:09,925 --> 00:39:12,924 Do you find the defendant, Christopher Halliwell, 660 00:39:12,925 --> 00:39:16,090 guilty or not guilty of murder? 661 00:39:16,925 --> 00:39:18,925 Guilty. 662 00:39:30,671 --> 00:39:32,671 Christopher John Halliwell... 663 00:39:33,537 --> 00:39:38,570 ...you have been convicted by a jury for the murder of Rebecca Godden. 664 00:39:39,125 --> 00:39:41,924 I observe that you lied to this jury 665 00:39:41,925 --> 00:39:45,285 about the circumstances of the murder of Rebecca Godden, 666 00:39:45,650 --> 00:39:47,924 just as you lied to the jury 667 00:39:47,925 --> 00:39:51,130 about the circumstances of the murder of Sian O'Callaghan. 668 00:39:51,925 --> 00:39:56,124 I have concluded that the level of your offending is exceptionally high 669 00:39:56,125 --> 00:39:59,285 and direct there will be a whole life order. 670 00:39:59,910 --> 00:40:01,550 Take him down. 671 00:40:13,751 --> 00:40:16,111 - Where's Yvonne gone? - Oh, she's gone to find Steve. 672 00:40:35,285 --> 00:40:37,925 - Whole life? - Yeah. 673 00:40:42,925 --> 00:40:46,605 The judge said his account made no sense at all. He lied and lied. 674 00:40:48,644 --> 00:40:50,604 He was right, though. 675 00:40:52,118 --> 00:40:54,118 He did ruin me. 676 00:40:55,125 --> 00:40:57,593 I mean, it occurred to me, when I was facing him in court, 677 00:40:57,594 --> 00:40:58,873 that we cancelled each other out. 678 00:40:58,874 --> 00:41:00,519 That day, in order to bring him down, 679 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,924 it was like I had to also lose everything. 680 00:41:02,925 --> 00:41:04,925 As if it was some sort of pact between us. 681 00:41:19,605 --> 00:41:23,569 Karen, we wondered if you could say something to the press. 682 00:41:23,570 --> 00:41:25,924 I've drafted some thoughts for you. 683 00:41:25,925 --> 00:41:28,124 I wondered if you and John could make a joint statement, 684 00:41:28,125 --> 00:41:29,924 mother and father together. 685 00:41:29,925 --> 00:41:32,272 Right. Because I'm not giving up, not till the truth comes out. 686 00:41:32,273 --> 00:41:34,108 - What? - That wasn't a trial, 687 00:41:34,133 --> 00:41:35,121 that was a travesty. 688 00:41:35,122 --> 00:41:37,444 What about the drug dealers Chris was talking about? 689 00:41:37,445 --> 00:41:38,924 Has anybody been looking for them? 690 00:41:38,925 --> 00:41:41,925 Was Fulcher involved with them? We need answers. 691 00:41:42,925 --> 00:41:44,924 I'm not doing a joint statement with John. 692 00:41:44,925 --> 00:41:46,328 You're on your own with him. 693 00:41:46,329 --> 00:41:48,925 And I don't need your notes. I know what I'm going to say. 694 00:41:52,251 --> 00:41:54,251 Steven... 695 00:41:55,965 --> 00:41:58,925 Can you take my bag? 696 00:42:05,925 --> 00:42:08,924 I want to place on record my thanks for the team 697 00:42:08,925 --> 00:42:11,648 led by Detective Superintendent Sean Memory, 698 00:42:11,649 --> 00:42:14,925 who have brought this case to a positive conclusion today. 699 00:42:15,262 --> 00:42:19,124 We have waited over five years for this moment. 700 00:42:19,125 --> 00:42:22,924 This has been an extremely painful journey, 701 00:42:22,925 --> 00:42:26,924 but at last we have finally received justice 702 00:42:26,925 --> 00:42:29,323 for our beautiful little girl Becky. 703 00:42:29,324 --> 00:42:32,574 Sean and his team were left with virtually nothing to go on 704 00:42:32,575 --> 00:42:34,924 after the evidence, initially gathered by Steve Fulcher, 705 00:42:34,925 --> 00:42:37,182 had to be thrown out virtually in its entirety. 706 00:42:37,207 --> 00:42:42,605 I want to thank, from the bottom of my heart, Steve Fulcher. 707 00:42:43,604 --> 00:42:48,604 I will always be indebted to him for bringing my little girl home. 708 00:42:48,629 --> 00:42:51,102 They worked tirelessly with the Crown Prosecution Service 709 00:42:51,127 --> 00:42:53,654 to uncover new evidence and bring this case to justice. 710 00:42:53,679 --> 00:42:55,719 They are to be congratulated. 711 00:42:55,744 --> 00:43:00,346 But Steve should never have suffered the terrible consequences, 712 00:43:00,371 --> 00:43:05,250 the loss of his reputation, the loss of his career... 713 00:43:05,925 --> 00:43:08,925 ...just for doing the right thing. 714 00:43:09,925 --> 00:43:10,925 Thank you. 715 00:43:17,125 --> 00:43:19,450 Go on. Go and talk to her. 716 00:43:24,925 --> 00:43:25,925 I can't. 717 00:43:27,925 --> 00:43:29,925 She's all right, you know? 718 00:43:30,704 --> 00:43:31,930 Like you, really. 719 00:43:39,064 --> 00:43:41,064 I just can't. It's too close. 720 00:43:52,445 --> 00:43:55,507 Steve Fulcher, this has been a landmark case in many ways. 721 00:43:55,508 --> 00:43:58,594 And I know it's been a difficult journey for you, personally. 722 00:43:58,595 --> 00:44:01,924 But how do you respond to those who say we cannot have the police 723 00:44:01,925 --> 00:44:04,485 riding roughshod over the rights of a suspect 724 00:44:04,486 --> 00:44:06,924 - as if it were the 1970s again? - I agree. 725 00:44:06,925 --> 00:44:10,330 I agree. But what if next time it's your daughter who's gone missing? 726 00:44:10,925 --> 00:44:14,924 And if another police officer finds himself in the position I was in, 727 00:44:14,925 --> 00:44:16,455 what does he do? 728 00:44:16,456 --> 00:44:17,924 Now, after what's happened to me, 729 00:44:17,925 --> 00:44:20,498 he would be perfectly entitled to give up on her, 730 00:44:20,499 --> 00:44:22,666 to take his suspect back to the police station 731 00:44:22,667 --> 00:44:25,283 and let a lawyer advise him to go, "No comment." 732 00:44:25,284 --> 00:44:30,690 Now, if she was still alive, your daughter would then inevitably die. 733 00:44:31,771 --> 00:44:35,771 And the police's official position on this seems to be, 734 00:44:35,796 --> 00:44:37,170 "So be it. 735 00:44:37,691 --> 00:44:40,691 "We're very sorry, but she'll just have to die, then." 736 00:44:41,925 --> 00:44:43,925 Is that what we want?